Stars End S6E12

With Foundation Season 3 in the rearview, we attempt to take a holistic look at the entire season and put it all into perspective, not just within the show but its production. Spoilers to come as usual!

We’re joined by Travis Johnson, Friend of Stars End, formerly of the Black Alert Podcast and Star Trek Podigy, both Star Trek Podcasts, and much more!

“What in the Actual Podcast?”

I feel like we’re crawling from the wreckage. Travis, however, enjoyed the season and was looking forward to discussing it! I hope we didn’t bring him down.

But where are we? The Genetic Dynasty? Gone! Demerzel? Melted! The Luminists, Cloud Dominion, and the Galactic Council? Devastated! David Goyer and a lot of the creative staff? Shuffled off! Roxann Dawson? We don’t know!

Yet, the robot head we’re calling Giskard has WiFi, and it looks like robots writ large will become an important force in what’s to come.

Season 4 has officially been greenlit, but will we actually see it? And is there hope for the narrative going forward? Once again, we try to puzzle it all out! Join us!

And don’t forget to vote for this year’s ⁠Hari Awards for Foundational Excellence⁠! Polls close on October 11th!

The Third Hari Awards Ballot

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It’s time to vote in the Third Newly Biannual Hari Awards for Foundational Excellence, all about Foundation on Apple TV+’s Season 3! Please help us and vote in the survey below. The survey will be open for one week, until Saturday, October 11, 2025, at 3:00 pm EDT Friday, 10 October 2025, at 5:00 pm EDT.

And please comment! We look forward to hearing from you!

Our season three recap episode will drop this weekend! Then we’ll be recording the awards show on the evening of the 11th 10th!

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Stars End S6E11

Hoo boy! That was one hell of a season finale, wasn’t it? You may have noticed that none of us were exactly bright-eyed and bushy-tailed as we remonstrated about Foundation’s Season 3, Episode 10, “The Darkness.”

“The Darkpodcastness.”

Spoiler Alert, as usual. Of course, you can listen without watching first, but this one needs to be seen to be believed.

But there were small photons of light trying to break through the shroud; we were joined for our conversation by Cora Buhlert, the 2022 winner of the Hugo Award for Best Fan Writer. Cora has an incandescent and extensive collection of commentary and fiction. Want to check it out? Start at her blog, ⁠CoraBuhlert.com⁠! Her latest foray into fiction is “⁠Queen of the Communist Cannibals⁠,” published in ⁠Cliffhanger Magazine.⁠

And speaking of cannibals, how about that David Goyer? Okay, “cannibal” might not be entirely fair, but he recently said that one of the reasons he’s stepping away from the show is that he “was having a hard time figuring out how to keep doing my vision of the show on a smaller budget.” Is that what this is? Full Metal Belt-Tightening? Who needs to send out pink slips when you’re writing the script?

Stars End S6E10

In which we ruminate about Foundation, S3E09, “The Paths that Choose Us.” Spoiler Alert, as if that wasn’t obvious.

“The Podcasts That Choose Us.”

If you thought that episode 8 was intense, this one was a philosophical gut punch after another.

And they come, fast and powerful.

We see the full extent of the Mule’s power as Gaal tries to free Warden Greer.

And we see Dusk, despite the “genetic drift,” doing the most Cleonic Thing possible. If you thought the destruction of Anachreon and Thespis was intense, you’d better buckle up! Sad, alone, and desperate to matter, even his final meal is an act of spite.

Demerzel is questioning. Rather than following an efficient, structured algorithm, a plethora of paths try to choose her. Can she find guidance in the Prime Radiant?

And finally, Brother Dude has escaped the compost heap and is rushing toward the Imperial Palace with the Brazen Robot Head that we can only call Giskard for some reason. Can Giskard help him make amends with Demerzel?

So watch the episode if you haven’t yet, and then join us for the show! What does it all mean? We’re teetering on the razor’s edge. Come see where we fall! Let’s GO!

Stars End S6E09

Join us for another barn burner of an episode as we look below the surface of Foundation, S3E08, “Skin in the Game!” Brother Dude goes on trial, Brother Dawn wakes up, and Brother Dusk is up to something so sinister that Demerzel is preconfessing. We’re picking up speed as we slide into the inevitable conclusion! Also, what’s up with Bayta? Don’t miss this one!

“Skin in the Podcast”

Watching Foundation: “Foundation’s End”

The masthead for the "Watching Foundation" column.

Here we go again! My impressions, insights, and interpretations from watching the episode.

If you haven’t watched the episode yet, what’s holding you back? Spoiler Alert. Proceed at your own risk.

Simultaneously published at Stars End: a Foundation Podcast and Comics, The Universe, and Everything.

Watching Foundation S3E07

Nice title.  It could be the name of an Asimov book in a different universe.

Rossem (on the edges of the outer reach)

Image from the Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life."

This is giving me real “It’s a Good Life” vibes. Someone’s going to get wished into the cornfield.

Space Amish.  This woman has a baby, but “the Bartons would take him if they could.”  Or not.

No one carries a baby like that if they’re out to harvest crops.

These assessors are serious business.  Almost a caricature.  That dad, though, looks a lot like “the Mule.”

That these guys are Foundation and not Empire lands like a blow. They need mustaches they could twirl.

The baby makes noise, and the parents are terrified.  And they’re terrible liars.

China figured out that the “one child policy” was a dumb idea.  What possible rationale could that have here? Don’t they need people to tend the land?

It gets worse.  “The Foundation trusts in the mass deleter solution.  You have two children and you’ve been allotted enough for one child… when we return, you’ll have one child.”  Ugh.

The dad gives the older boy an ominous look.  He did seem self-centered when the parents wanted to use his candy to keep the baby quiet.  Are there other indications that the parent/child relationship isn’t great?

Is this a parable about factory farming?

Rossem appeared in the book Second Foundation, but not as a Foundation world.

Rossem is one of those marginal worlds usually neglected in Galactic history and scarcely ever obtruding itself upon the notice of men of the myriad happier planets…

Imperial history flowed past the peasants of Rossem. The trading ships might bring news in impatient spurts; occasionally new fugitives would arrive—at one time, a relatively large group arrived in a body and remained—and these usually had news of the Galaxy…

And then one day not unlike other days a ship arrived again. The old men of each village nodded wisely and lifted their old eyelids to whisper that thus it had been in their fathers’ time—but it wasn’t, quite.  This ship was not an Imperial ship. The glowing Spaceship-and-Sun of the Empire was missing from its prow. It was a stubby affair made of scraps of older ships—and the men within called themselves soldiers of Tazenda…

Other ships came and proclamations were issued all over the world that Tazenda was now the ruling world, that tax-collecting stations would be established girdling the equator—the inhabited region—that percentages of grain and furs according to certain numerical formulae would be collected annually…

Second Foundation

“Now,” Above New Terminus.

That’s a nice transition.

We quickly focus on Pritcher’s cell.  He’s going to be important here because he wasn’t at Magnifico’s concert.

Batya’s still in bad shape.  Could that just be the Null Field?  Was she injured, and I didn’t see?  What would be a reason the field would affect her more than other people?  Or is something else the matter?

Being fireman-carried like that, Bayta’s lucky this isn’t a Three Stooges short.

What’s up with Sephanie here?

The mother getting the headshot with the crying baby is unnecessary pathos.  Or is it? Foreshadowing?

The Imperial Throneroom

They want us to think Dusk is hallucinating here.  He isn’t.  But the Empire is almost completely rudderless.  Almost.  Even though he seems disengaged, Dusk gives a few curt orders that put people on task.

The Foundation Embassy

Ambassador Quent and her staff are trying to process the news from New Terminus.

Dusk arrives.  Ostensibly, he’s there to comfort Quent, but “Is there still a Foundation to prosecute me?” is rubbing salt in the wounds.

He wants Quent to come to the castle.  This seems the worst of all possible times for the ambassador to leave her post.  Still, she goes.

Cut to the Black Tongue landing.  Foundation surrenders.  Mostly, the citizens are not happy about it. Notice that there’s no indication of metallic abilities happening here. The entire situation is carried by Indbur and the Warden.

Well, that isn’t an eclipse in totality.

“You will call me ‘First Citizen’.”  Of what?  Whatever.  Maybe this is a Three Stooges short.

This is a gross display of dominance.  There’s no dignity to this.

Mycogen

Dude is uncharacteristically reasonable.  But then he’s no longer the dominant one in the relationship. Such as it is.

Here we go!  “If there is synthetic life on Trantor, it could be the most important thing to happen to us in 5000 years.”

And now we’re all “Fear and Loathing in Mycogen.”  If this were the books, it would be more Fear and Loathing in Salt Lake City than Las Vegas.

New Terminus

Pritcher is trying to escape.  This gambit seems merely shocking for the sake of being shocking.  In a Similar situation, Spock was able to mentally trick somebody into opening his cell.

Trantor

Quent gives Dusk a rundown of the takeover of New Terminus.  “What do I do?”  You project resolve for your staff.  You assess the situation as best you can.  And you start figuring out how to come back.  This doesn’t make sense unless it’s a one-person embassy.

Dusk: “You stay here.  You wrap my flag around your pretty shoulders, and no one will dare touch you.”  The second time through, it reads as patronizing.

And Quent gets empathetic when she learns about Dawn.  But why didn’t he tell her?  It’s not a relationship between equals.

You can hear it in his voice when Capillus climbs on the table.  Contempt and anger.  But he softens when Quent shows compassion and gives the ferret something to eat.  It’s a hopeful sign when a Cleon shows some humanity.  We get a lot of those.

How did Capillus get back to the Imperial Palace, anyway?

Mycogen

Brother Dude is being interrogated.  They’re working hard to be trippy.  I’m surprised there isn’t a lava lamp.

Man butt again.  There’s nobody with a flashlight this time.

Young Dude is trying to make a connection with Demerzel.  Eventually, she says, “You keep all your hate for me.  Why?”

“What else would I feel for you?  My midwife and my martinet, waiting for me to miss a step.”

So genetic drift leads to what? A bad case of imposter syndrome?  Seems too simple.  But they double down on it.

Song interrupts.  She wants to know about freeing Demerzel.  That would be amazing if they could pull it off.

“We weren’t very good today; we were all different from each other.”  This, as we see the napkin trick from season 1 executed poorly.

“You did your best.”  That’s the Laura Burn.  Almost as damning as “means well.”

“Again,” Demerzel barks.  Not at all like a mom.  There’s the martinet.  After surviving for thousands of years, walking the spiral, and raising little Cleon’s for centuries, it’s not realistic that she shouldn’t be able to fake basic humanity.

“I have gone by many names. “Chetter, Eto, Daneel.”  I almost didn’t believe I heard that.

“If you did leave, what would you do?”

“I suppose I would make more creatures like me, more robots.”

“Better children.”  Followed by, “It is not productive to dwell on impossible things.”

“If you could, would you choose not to love us?“

“I cannot weigh love against freedom.” What the hell does that mean?!?

“Because freedom would win,” opines present-day Dude.  That’s gotta hurt!

The Imperial Palace

Dusk has three days left.  “I want to leave with some dignity. And that begins with securing your treatment.”

“The last three Centuries were defined by Empire’s conflict with Foundation.”

“You’ve turned my gallow’s walk into a pleasant stroll” is a nice turn of phrase.

Kissy kissy.  Thirty years of sexual tension.

Indbur’s Satellite

Indbur says, “Pritcher knew you were a threat before anyone else. He has a secret.”  “The Mule” is dismissive.

What’s the point of making the guy on the ground look like Pritcher when only the audience can see?

The Foundation has smart guns.  Good precaution. Not so good for Han.

Pritcher escapes to the planet’s surface.

New Terminus

On the surface, Torin makes it to the Millennium Torus and tries to heal Bayta.

Randu’s at the door.  “I’m not the enemy.”  But actually, he is; he has never felt such love.  

This isn’t the subtle change I’d expect from “the Mule’s” influence.

Troops arrive.  General brouhaha.  They take Bayta. Toran manages to get into an escape pod.

Where did the shots come from that killed Randu?  Are they explosive bolts released from the escape hatch?

The Imperial Palace

Ugh.  Dusk shows us he’s evil.  He shows Capellus kindness only to kill him.  Cleon’s always disappoint.  [Huh.  Maybe screwed up more than evil.  See below.]

Mycogen

Songbird and Riverdance have brought in Sunmaster-18.  The clanking of the walking stick is funny.

“I bring you the finest crochet hook in all the land!” 

This director really likes showing things through that red liquid.

[Later thoughts:  there’s also a hell of a lot of blood in this episode.  Are the two collectively a motif?   Could the entire episode be a study of humans’ reactions to being traumatized by violence?  In Brother Dude’s case, Demerzel’s violence is emotional, and that brings me back to the Three Laws.  Someone on Reddit described her behavior as “malicious compliance.“  I continue to wonder to what extent the 3 Laws might be lurking under the Cleonic programming.  If they’re completely subsumed, that makes comments like “I cannot weigh love against freedom,” active rebellion; she’s lashing out as much as she is able, despite this version of Cleon being mostly innocent at that young age.  That makes it a piece with Dusk’s ultimate treatment of Capillus.]

Is that the skull of a robot on the staff?  Is it anybody we know?

“Something new for you. Here, none are at ease through the labor of others.  None may glory over another.  Except this.  This is our glory.  It is the brazen head of God.  And it will scream your fate aloud.”

Oooo… Scary, kid!  Scary!

Terminus

“Now this is an office.”

We’re in the Bathroom!  After going through all the robot novels, this seems almost as Asimovian as two people expositioning in a room.  Still, it’s unusual for “the Mule” to invite the whole group to join him.

Without much preamble, “the Mule” announces “a tug on the bridal is in order.“  The original story in Astounding Science Fiction, June 1942, that appeared in Foundation as “The Mayors” was called “Bridle and Saddle.” That’s too far removed to conclude this was an intentional reference.

Skirlet explains, “He wants you to drown yourself.”

The process takes just over a minute, but it seems longer.  It’s more unnecessary brutality, and it’s disturbing to watch.  In reality, it takes more like four minutes for someone to drown.  I suppose I should be thankful.  Still: Enough!  We get it already!

Sephanie isn’t turned.  And she’s defiant.  “If I had to guess, he’s already halfway to planning an insurrection.”

“Bad way to go.  Drowning.”  Ugh.

Rossem

The parents try to drown the kid.  The kid tries to bargain.  This is crazy.  Parents would never behave this way.

The Mutant power manifests, and both parents are killed.

In addition to being crazy, there are many impressionistic elements here that give the scene a surreal quality.

He leaves the baby with the Bartons as if they’re Timon and Pumba.  This is like a dark, twisted Disney movie.

There’s another source of the name “Rossem.”  The play R. U. R. (Short for Rossum’s Universal Robots) is what introduced the word “robot” to the English language and the world at large.  Could this be kind of a play-within-the-play like Shakespeare is famous for, or like Hamlet within the Star Trek episode “Conscience of the King?”  The analogy isn’t perfect but…

Outside the Vault

Another nice transition

“I escaped my home by joining the pirates who harassed our land.  Sounds like a bad word, “pirate,” but they never took as much as you.”  “The Mule” is talking to the Vault and, therefore, to Hari.

Hari appears, “That’s a very Tragic story.” He says, “I wonder how much of it is true.“  Me too.  That might explain the impressionistic nature of the Rossem scenes.

Review:

Another good episode, and I enjoy how, even as it purports to explain itself, it raises more questions. However, the violence and cruelty are overwhelming. Way too much of that; make your point, but don’t wallow in it. And poor Capillus goes the way of too many animal characters, as an easy source of cheap pathos.

Rating: 4 out of 5.

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Stars End S6E08

Foundation, S3E07, “Foundation’s End” is another episode that demands analysis! And has big revelations! Don’t tell anyone, but I may have squeed. We have another special guest to help us wrap our heads around this one!

“Podcast’s End”

Spoiler alerts, as usual. And don’t let the title frighten you; we’re not going anywhere!

In this one, she names the robot that dare not speak its name. Plus, brother dude goes on a trip that makes 2001: A Space Odyssey seem tame in comparison! And a surreal fairy tale that probably has something to do with “the Mule’s” backstory! A bit, a bit. To quote the great Hari Seldon, “Tragic story, I wonder how much of it is true.”

We’re joined, once again, by Renaissance Man Extraordinaire, Paul Levinson! Since he was last on the show, Paul has published a short story, “In the Dybbuk’s Pocket,” and expanded the short story we discussed last time into a novel, It’s Real Life: A Natural History of The Beatles. Paul and some friends did a reading from the novel at Big Red Books. You can check that out here!

But first, join us for our deconstruction of what Paul calls ‘by far the best of all the episodes (of Foundation) so far! Once again, you don’t want to miss this one! Let’s GO!!

Stars End S6E07

Let’s chat about Foundation, S3E06, “The Shape of Time!” It’s a big episode and we have a big guest star to enlarge our conversation.

We call this one, “The Shape of the Podcast,” and people are already calling it “longer than usual!”

As you proceed, be warned! Here be spoilers!

If the mark of a great episode is that it becomes even more interesting on a second watch, then this one checks the box!

Our big guest hails from a planet that, to paraphrase Douglas Adams, is bigger than the biggest potato ever and then some! We welcome back Rick Tetrault from the ⁠⁠Infinite Potato Alliance⁠! Rick’s currently featured on ⁠⁠⁠That Star Trek Podcast⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠Unspeakable: A Call of Cthulu Actual Play Podcast⁠!

It’s big talk about big developments! Don’t miss this one!

Let’s GO!

Stars End S6E06

In which we discuss Apple TV+’s Foundation, S3E05 – “Where Tyrants Spend Eternity.”

“Where Podcasts Spend Eternity.”

We didn’t love this episode as much as the last one. Do you remember the Star Trek Episode “Court Martial?” It’s the one where Captain Kirk is accused of murdering Lt. Commander Benjamin Finney. It’s a little like that.

The climax of the episode comes when Kirk’s attorney, Samuel T. Cochran, deploys the Chewbacca defense. He starts with, “Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!”

Eventually, he concludes, “If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit,” and Kirk goes free.

Also, this description does not make sense. There’s a lot of that going on.

Stars End S6E05

Join us as we talk about Foundation, S3E04, “The Stress of Her Regard.” It’s an episode so big, so intense, and so seismic that it’ll take FOUR of us to talk about it!

“The Stress of Her Podcast”

In 1893, Nikola Tesla invented an ⁠earthquake machine⁠! Legend has it that by 1898, the machine was so powerful that neighbors called the police, afraid that Tesla’s laboratory was about to shake itself apart!

If you want to wreak that much havoc in the Foundation Universe, you ask Roxann Dawson to direct an episode! Hoo doggy, is this one a humdinger!

We’re joined by Joel McKennon of the Seldon Crisis Podcast as we break down this earth-shattering, paradigm-shifting, and mind-blowing installment!

Don’t miss this one! The entire galaxy might be trying to shake itself apart!